N.A. Historical Pure Traditionalist Gathering

[dalin]

PURE SPIRIT TRADITIONALIST GATHERING



When: June 20 thru June 22, 2008

Where: Hamburg, PA

Place: Olivet Mountain Camp

1540 Mountain Rd.

Hamburg, Pa 19526

Cost: $75.00 per person

Price include all meals and lodging

There is no registration fee all money go directly to pay for the facility and food

Write checks payable to Historical Perspective Group NA
A.S.I.S.N.A. 3rd. Annual Conference

HOW TO GET INVOLVED

Input what you want on the agenda

PROJECT AGENDA

History, Traditions, Writing Literature through Group Conscience, and Setting up services directly accountable to the groups through the traditions.



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For More Information: Contact Historical Perspective Group

(610) 391-8915 Ask for Bill: e-mail Bill at BillAlln9@aol. com: or check or web pge out www.nahelp.org Send check to Historical Perspective group 3546 Broadway Allentown, Pa 18104 Write checks payable to Historical Perspective Group

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Alternative Service Informational Structure

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[Just42Dave]

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[dalin]

This is a huge group of addicts that want to get back to the
basics of the program.
There just seems to be alot of unrest in the N.A. Program
these days,with all the unrest.It has all been about money.
This group,naasis,as well as the nawol groups are doing the real
well.They will never do the type of **** naws is doing,making us remove our
na stuff.
.

[Just42Dave]

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[dalin]

Hey,
naws made us remove all copyrighted material from the web,like they own N.A.
Alot of the outlaw na,like the NAWOL Book and the A.S.I.SN.A. seem to be much
more spiritualy guided that what world services is selling this month.
I realy hate seeing what has happened to this fellowship that alot of us helped build.

[todd]

hi, i am new to the board. i've been searching the web for oldschool na stuff, and several of the historical sites have been taken down. my sponsor has told me about the history of na and the changes and controversy over the text, and also the wso/wsc. it is all fascinating to me. my sponsor says the step guide workbook is crap, and so we use the sponsor/sponsee worksheets. surprised to see those exact sheets on here. i have copies of the 1988 L.A. Step Draft (marked 'not for release') for steps 1 and 2 and they are AWESOME. I have been thinking of scanning them in and uploading. will post here when i do. peace everybody.

clean and grateful,

[Montauktammy]

Even in my small 6 years I have seen some wars over this stuff it is hard for some of us to let up on this stuff I blame it on the same thing that will take me down from time to control issues, some time that is the way we make our self feel powerful and not powerless NA is growing and change in some respect is inevitable. The Step, Traditions , Principals will not change and neither with the nature of the disease that is why we look to our recovery. If you are new I suggest you study The Step, Traditions , Principals and not just read them, but apply them in your life:1:

[Dave T.]

NAWS is protecting our copyrighted literature. They were given this task by the Fellowship Intellectual Property Trust which was approved by the NA groups, in which it says that NA groups, service boards and committees may use NA's copyrighted literature( paraphrasing). This site is not a part of NA and has a lot of confusing stuff on it regarding NA so I can understand why they asked for the material to be removed. They are our servants and are doing what we asked them to do, don't take it personal. The pamphlets you have on here are on an NA service committee's site.

BTW I love seeing what has happened to this Fellowship, our Unity has increased and our message has been carried around the world. NA has grown in leaps and bounds and hundreds of thousands of addicts have gotten clean and many thousands more are getting clean. It seems to be working just fine.

A newcomer reading some of the stuff on this site might come away with the impression that NA is divided and riddled with controversy, that is not true. There are a few who cannot let go of the past (I still call it a "Little White Book" not booklet but I'm not gonna start my own NA over it) and due to that they continue to foster the seeds of discontent and disunity within some circles but the overwhelming vast majority of NA's members and groups continue to work together to carry OUR message.

I love Narcotics Anonymous and I am sorry but I am personally tired of reading on here how NA is no good, unless it is someone else's 'version' of NA."Our Program is one of attraction not promotion.." and I don't think this site makes NA look very attractive while it promotes disunity.

Okay I feel better, y'all have a good day. :smile:

[dalin]

N.A. Rocks.
Alot of the things we talked World is doing awesome.
Alot of things arent.
Alot of the addicts that I talk to have been here for
years.
I dont like alot of the political side.
Trust me,my sponsor is as N.A. as you can get.
And so is his.
There are alot of folks that dont hold
your point of veiw.
I try to stay in the middle,and not stuck
in denial ..I want a spiritual fellowship.

[Dave T.]

N.A. Rocks.
Alot of the things we talked World is doing awesome.
Alot of things arent.
Alot of the addicts that I talk to have been here for
years.
I dont like alot of the political side.
Trust me,my sponsor is as N.A. as you can get.
And so is his.
There are alot of folks that dont hold
your point of veiw.
I try to stay in the middle,and not stuck
in denial ..I want a spiritual fellowship.

"This is a huge group of addicts that want to get back to the
basics of the program.
There just seems to be alot of unrest in the N.A. Program
these days,with all the unrest.It has all been about money.
This group,naasis,as well as the nawol groups are doing the real
well.They will never do the type of **** naws is doing,making us remove our
na stuff."

AND

"Hey, naws made us remove all copyrighted material from the web,like they own N.A.
Alot of the outlaw na,like the NAWOL Book and the A.S.I.SN.A. seem to be much more spiritualy guided that what world services is selling this month.
I realy hate seeing what has happened to this fellowship that alot of us helped build."

Those are not comments of someone who tries to "stay in the middle", jus' sayin' :lol:

[todd]

sorry, i certainly didn't mean to kick off trouble here. yikes. na's history is what it is...i am just trying to stay clean and researching everything i can about the fellowship. it's a good thing addicts can disagree (even passionately) and still help each other stay clean. the ties that bind us together are stronger...

[dalin]

I hear ya...

I do have issues with alot of what World has done.
Our literature group that put together the Basic Text was a group
of addicts like us,that got together,prayed alot,God centered writers.
Now,according to my sponsorship family,we fired Gods,kids,and have higherd
"Hired Powers" instead of the ones God chose to write our literature.Some may have never used.
I Love NA.
I dont love alot of what World Services has done .
Our World office in Canada is in the town I live in. Last year I went there
with my sponsor.
I know the couple that works there.
I know that NA is the fellowship of outlaws and rebels,or that is who we once where.
And I am still a little rebelliouse.
I say that group consciuos should include all of this huge disfunctional family!
We all belong.

[Dave T.]

The process used to write the Basic Text was less inclusive than the one we use today; then we had a couple of people who were the World Lit Committee and they did workshops to gather input from other members. Now it is confusing at this point because it is said that the Fellowship wrote the Basic Text at these workshops but then it is also said that individuals on the World Lit committee wrote chapters or the entire book themselves, but either way only the members who lived where the workshop was held or could afford to pay their way there got to be involved. Today any member can provide input into our literature process either through a area lit review committee or personally.

Addicts write our literature and any member can participate in the process.

We can disagree on things and do; but in the end the our Traditions suggest we surrender to the group conscience and work together; for our common welfare comes first.

World is us, what happens at NAWS is what we've decided should happen there, again I may disagree with some of those decisions but I am no where near egotistical enough today to suggest that because I disagree with something that makes it wrong or not spiritual.

Todd you didn't start this, lol I've been reading this board for a few weeks and finally felt like I needed to say something to let people know that there is Unity in our Fellowship and our Fellowship is a spiritual one, although a few members may not feel that way based upon the information they've been given. I encourage you to seek out as much information as you can; just be sure your not getting just one side of the story, there are usually three in my experience; one side's, the other side's and then there is the truth.

As far as being a rebel goes I guess I still am in some ways regarding society in general, but I don't care to rebel against the Fellowship that saved my life.

"Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends on NA unity".

[Montauktammy]

NAWS is protecting our copyrighted literature. They were given this task by the Fellowship Intellectual Property Trust which was approved by the NA groups,

Hey I love this this is one way for me to learn about what is going on and others points of view on what is going on. Hey I grew up in AA, and I knew I was not enough to keep me off drugs so I went to NA and I Love NA, World and the outlaws, you keep me jumping in my seat and looking up stuff to see what is going on that is one way I don't get stuck just going to meetings and going home and do what I think is stealing.
protecting our copyrighted literature yes we need that, but my issue is I don't care if it shows up in NA, CA, AA ,HA, GA,CODA, OA or any other a's that are out there the message is the thing that needs to be heard, not stifled! Now as far as what goes on inside NA meetings I do think that in meeting we should use NA or World approved Lit." Our primary purpose is to carry the message to the still suffering addict.", online or any where! I am not what is important here not world either the message is what is important !
thanks