Alcohol, a symptom?

[worldpar]

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[Vivian Eisenecher]

You are soooooooooo right! I identify with your message completely. I self-medicated my social anxiety and dysthymia (chronic low-grade depression) with alcohol. Until my anxiety and depression were treated I could not stay sober. My recovery was so profound that I had to write a book: Recovering Me, Discovering Joy.

[worldpar]

Thank you Vivian. Not everyone agrees with me on this. Especially some of the "book taught" therapist I meet, but I believe it is the truth. Seeing that others believe as well is a big help to me. I tried for years before I was diagnosed with anxiety to explain there was something wrong with me and that was why drank. When I was told "you are only self medicating" I thought my point was made. But alas it was not. You simply can't fix a problem by treating the symptoms.
Can you please tell me where to find your book I would love to read it.
Again Thank you!

[thereishope]

I too agree with you.
I used alchol & drugs to cover hurts and trama. I did not want to feel them or even ackknowledge how bad they were. Then the addiction took over full force and everything i had been stuffing down went even deeper under the addiction. I so understan what you are saying here and i thank you for the video. Yes please i would like to see more vidoes.

[worldpar]

Thank you hope, as I said, I kinda went out on a limb saying that, and I'm glad to see others understand what I am saying. It lets me know I'm not (totally) crazy.
As far as my other videos, my Youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/worldpar I was just doing my thing when I started making them. But for some reason people seen to like them. Please feel free to check them out. I'm up to about twenty now.

Any way thank you,
Worldpar

[thereishope]

I will most diffanetly do that. Ive saved the link.
Big hugs to you for reaching out in the way you have. I look froward to watching more.

[janbear]

Good morning worldpar. :11: I like your video. How dare you talk about me so much? LoL :lol::wink: Yes, of course i relate. :15: I have been in AA and NA for a quite a while. AA does treat alcoholism, but even in AA literature it says, Alcohol is a symptom.
NA is awesome for me. It gets down to the nitty gritty. It also, but not in the same words makes reference to drugs being symptoms of a deeper probblem. And the 12-steps there treat the whole scope of who I am. I work the NA program gratefully. It does work.

As i said i can relate to so many of the feelings you have, feeling different all my life, definitely. I used drugs and alcohol to numb the pain of trauma in early childhood. But i got to say, i throughly enjoyed it for a while and then it all turned on me and i was addicted. I am also bipolar and i can defintely understand the anxiety you speak about. Like you said, its all treatable. :15: We never need to suffer alone.
Thank you for sharing your experience. And i look forward to checking out your link.
Jan

[Rodercrown]

thanks

[worldpar]

Hi guys,
I haven't been online in a while and deiced to check out the site.
Thanks Thereishope, Janbear, Rodercrown Thanks everyone.
Worldpar
SpiritualMotivations.com (http://www.spiritualmotivations.com)

[skyhook]

How many like me, learned these false coping skills in adolescence (in the name of fun...aka: relief) to squash and cover the pain and vulnerability.

Like putting on another layer of sweater on a cold day,,,except everyday is colder than the last and there is just not enough sweaters.

Then adulthood arrives and I found that these childhood sweaters are
no where near adequate to repel the cold. But I still tryed to wedge into them, thinking no one would notice.

I had to deconstruct my life as part of recovery and what I found was percieved oppression, like fear was often an illusion. And if not an illusion, then certainly I was better equipped to deal with it while clean.

We all have common enemies in this battle and the strongest ones are within.

Thanks for the video.

[skyhook]

Over the last 20 years, the AMA has played into the "every human condition or experience gets a medical label".

Without it, how would its constituants collect $$$ from insurance companies and expand its market demographic ?

I agree that the percentage quoted seem extreme, but then again I'm a big fan of personal accountability in dealing with our problems. Thats not to say that real disorders don't exist, its just easy to see how society has bought into the diseasing of america, turning its back on accountabilty and simply substituting a pill prescribed by MD's instead of the one sold by their local dealer.

That said, I know very well that real disorders exist and peoples lives are kept in balance by legitimate medications. That is a given. My statement is in recognition of those who are falsely self medicating themselves, postponing or circumventing real freedom and lining the pockets of a dealer who has credentials, but no scruples.

The video hit home with me, none the less.

[Chewi]

It does seem as if there are many people who say once they treated their underlying disorders staying sober became easier. AA is a wonderful program, but it is run by professional drunks, not professional therapists. If we are to go to any length to stay sober, then this is another option.

I do agree that people are over-medicated today, but I know there are people who cannot function at all without meds and thank God for the researchers who developed those drugs. I do believe the greatest percentage of researchers and doctors do it because they do care about healing people and as in any profession there is a small number of unscrupulous ones.

The biggest problem with GPs and family doctors as Worldpar says above is that they are not trained in addiction and psychological issues. So anyone with addiction and/or mental disorders should go to counselors specializing in those fields.

[Tom1]

I agree with Chewi. The group I was just with had 3 MD (all trained in addiction medicine, family practice).One caveat seems to be that the professionals I met that had personal experiences SEEMED more qualified to help as they were able to understand the mind of an addict with their heart, not just their brains.That is what interested me in the field.There is a lot odf distrust out there both ways, between pts and docs and docs and pts. The first thing a doc told me was that unlike other specialties, this is the one where you don't believe anything the pt tells you, kinda harsh I thought.The drug companies really do PUSH their goods ( I went on Suboxone dinners at steak houses, etc..) and it really is difficult for even physicians to sort out what is hype and what is legit. Anyway, clearly I saw people who needed meds, but also found people with slight vicodin probs put on Suboxone, thought it was like killing a spider with a shotgun. I Dunno. Tom