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boleon
08-19-2009, 12:35 PM
Abstinent and recovering. These two words appear to have the same meaning but they differ substantially when looked at over a long period of time. Abstinence may measure the same as recovery in a urine sample or blood test but the intention, expectations and the long-term durability of the two paths to “legally defined sobriety” are qualitatively quit different.The abstinent addict is looking for a quick-fix for their problem where the person living in recovery seeks, desires and expects to find a new way of living without the need for any substances (crutches) in their lives.

Abstinence may cure back problems (getting your license back, job back, family back) but it does not address the underlying causes of needing a mind-altering substance in the first place. A person seeking true recovery recognizes the truth about themselves, that is, that there was some kind of problem that existed prior to seeking out drugs or alcohol initially. For the person who was uncomfortable in their own skin to start with, not drinking or drugging does not treat their bigger malady (anxiety, frustration, guilt or despair). The individual who is merely abstinent must go on to face these obstacles long after obtaining their short term goals or getting their stuff back. In short, abstinence is not drinking and feeling bad about it. Recovery is not drinking and felling good about it.

There are a series of “simple to grasp” slogans used within recovery groups designed to get the newcomer through the next day/week/month or whatever short-term goal that particular program has. In all fairness to any counselor/teacher/sponsor these psychological tricks and tips are essential in the first few months of any kind of recovery and there is no practical way around them. The danger for the person in recovery comes when they continue to rely on these “band-aids” permanently and fail to heal the wound.

The limitations and weaknesses of abstinence typically do not show up until sometime later-on in the recovery process, when the now sober mind starts to realize that only a few things get better while most “life challenges” go on. They begin to recognize that most of the slogans they heard were simply not true or were gross exaggerations. One such slogan is; “just don’t drink, go to meetings and life will get better”. Your parole officer might think your life is better but he is looking at the situation from the perspective of a baby-sitter who is responsible for cleaning up your mess. The reality is that if you can’t sleep at night because of worries and fears, your life may in fact get worse and the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse may even move in with you. Peace of mind is a precious commodity to the soul living a sober life. Drugs and alcohol may have been a “rock” comfort-wise, but life without them may prove to be the “hard place” for the person who was caught in the middle and must now choose one side or the other. Now where does he or she find refuge?

A person taught to say the serenity prayer in his or her treatment program is in a better position than someone not familiar with the importance of peace of mind. Serenity is the deluxe edition of sobriety, which includes peace of mind, acceptance and a starting point for meditation. Without serenity, sobriety may not be worth having. True sobriety rides on the coat-tails of serenity. The next time you can’t sleep at night try asking yourself if sobriety is of any help in this particular situation.
Where humility has teaching power, serenity has healing power. That is the power to instill peace of mind. Just because someone was powerless over their drinking or drugging does not mean they have to be powerless over their recovery.

CD BUCKBERRY
08-19-2009, 02:25 PM
boleon,There is no quick cure to addiction.Abstinance is part of recovery,but that is a day by day practice of being clean using the tools and ways we learn in recovery to stay clean.Going to meetings helps us to connect with the problem we have or had to get us here to become recovering addicts or alcoholics.We know we are recovering then and will see it in our new ways and means.Reading the serenity prayer is a great incouragement to begin the day off with.

sioux
08-19-2009, 09:10 PM
I know plenty of people that have or are "abstaining" and have that continue to lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate situations and people to get what they want. They have no guiding power of reasonability on how to treat others, and eventually they start to throw away all those "backs."

I consider those people in dire need of a drink or a Power greater than themselves and a huge reminder to me that if I don't give up the self-will, I too can be monumentally insane. It always comes down to how much are we willing to change our personalities, and that requires a lot of courage and strength to live in a way that doesn't harm others. I couldn't have done it on my own, that is for certain.

You can have abstienance and recovery, but you can't have recovery without abstaining first. I value my emotional recovery as much if not more than my physical recovery.

EvilBunny
09-14-2009, 06:24 PM
I never understood this dichotomy when I tried AA. It always seemed to me that "dry drunk" just meant someone who recovered without using a 12-step program.

A person who has stayed abstinent for a long time by definition has to have learned some coping skills to replace the compulsion to drink or use. If drinking was the only way one knew to handle anxiety, then in order to not drink they must have found another way. Even if they are miserable, they have at the very least found a way to be miserable and not compound the problem with chronic intoxication. In my opinion, outside the subculture of AA/NA, Abstinence = Recovery.

I'm an active alcoholic/addict whose trying to quit (again), and I don't plan on going to AA, but I do have recovery as a goal.

sioux
09-15-2009, 08:26 PM
I think you are correct when you say that dry drunk people have found coping skills to replace the compulsion to drink. I have known people that I consider dry drunks to look elsewhere with blame in hand as they took up affairs, downed more food than they should, lost more weight than is healthy, worked more hours than was necessary; I'm sure anyone could add to the list and I have to admit my own round of retail therapy was wreckage I had to address eventually. At that point, with 12 years of sober time I had to ask myself, recovery from what one more time.

Really, coping skills? I needed a new way of living and thinking.

AA has shown me how to have the obsession lifted and not destroy everyone's life around me in the process.

I wish you luck and success in your venture to quit.

EvilBunny
09-15-2009, 08:43 PM
I think you are correct when you say that dry drunk people have found coping skills to replace the compulsion to drink. I have known people that I consider dry drunks to look elsewhere with blame in hand as they took up affairs, downed more food than they should, lost more weight than is healthy, worked more hours than was necessary; I'm sure anyone could add to the list and I have to admit my own round of retail therapy was wreckage I had to address eventually. At that point, with 12 years of sober time I had to ask myself, recovery from what one more time.

Really, coping skills? I needed a new way of living and thinking.

AA has shown me how to have the obsession lifted and not destroy everyone's life around me in the process.

I wish you luck and success in your venture to quit.

That's your experience. I've seen people overcome the compulsion to drink or use by doing yoga, writing, painting, meditating and focusing on their families. I've also seen people replace their compulsion to drink or use with a compulsion to attend multiple AA meetings everyday despite the fact that it cost them their marriages and time with their children (there are several threads on these forums that address that all-too-common occurrence).

I used to hear "If you want what we've got..." and think about how it would be nice to be able to achieve sobriety without the AA lifestyle, which I don't find particularly appealing.

BIG AL
09-15-2009, 09:12 PM
The big book says AA does not have the monopoly on sobriety.I do think something needs to be dont.some sort of recovery or you will make those around you miserable and drink again.

sioux
09-16-2009, 11:54 AM
Yes, that is my experience, it is all I have to share. Still, good luck on your quest. My hat is off to you!

Craig A.
09-18-2009, 06:30 PM
One thing that was taught to me was that A.A. helps me find myself and God keeps me sober! Recovery is up to the individual I know several people who are sober but you just don't want to be around them to long and that is there right! I could not stay sober on my own but I got sober plenty of times on my own or with help of other self-help programs or because I lost my job, no money, save my ... ( fill in the blank ), etc... . Pain is a great motivator I finally got sick and tired of being sick and tired, my sponsor first asked me if I had any reservations at all, he also reminded me that A.A. was not the only way either, he stated you don't need A.A. to get your job back or your relationship back, or whatever back... , A.A. will give you the ability to live, to be apart of life, it will teach you how to face your fears/pain so you can STAY SOBER not constantly get sober; that made sense to me, the first line in how it works says it " Rarely have we seen a person fail who has THOROUGHLY followed our path. " I thank God for A.A., the fellowship, His grace, and people who were patient with me, and most of all this concept of One Day At A Time no matter how long I have been sober! God bless us all on our journey!!!

Rocket2d4
09-19-2009, 06:05 AM
I came into recovery at a young age of 22. No court cards.
I chased a chick in thar. God knew me more than I knew myself.lmao Haha...I had an awaken before I came to AA.

Well...Being that young sitting in a room full of old farts
telling me I had my head up my butt wasn't my idea of fun
or enlightenment. Hell no, I didn't want any of what you had
to offer me...

See...I wasn't going to hang out in AA. They say to keep
coming back and don't leave until the mirracle happens.
Errr...2-3 weeks of that crap and that chick that I stalked
into AA never showed up..lol

As a matter of fact I was walking out the door , then a mirracle
showed up. She was 23, single driving a convertiable.
Heck ..she even came up an introduce herself to me.
Ask me for my phone #. All of a sudden I had this willingness
that came over me. Somewhere in the realm of I needed to get
my shiet together. She gave me a friendship band.lol

She was heathier and hawter looking then any chicks I've
seen in bars or night clubs drunk out of thier minds..lol

Yeap...Got a sponsor..becuase she would ask me if I had one..lmao
Shower 2-3 times a day. Wash and waxed my car. Clean my
freaken house. Went looking for work. Washed and iron my clothe.
Cut or trimmed my hair.Work on my anger issues or whatever the hell issues I had.

After 6 months. I finally got to kiss her.

See...god knows me more than me. God gave me something
I that was very attracted to and a reason to stay sober.
I didn't have that wanting to do it for myself first.
However...being with her is kind of like doing it for me.

It wasn't as if I've had nevered stopped drinking by myself before.
I'll stop for a month then go on a binge. I had a reason or purpose
the stay sober and get well when she came into my life.

Becuase sitting home alone aside of from attending AA was
sort of retarded too. I didn't have connections with the older people
aside from not drinking. I wouldn't do it alone or live alone
sober. It got old real, real quick.

There has to be something positive and loving to replace that partying life style.

The difference between her and my ex-wf was. My ex-wf tried
to change me...well that pissed me off and I rebel even more.
With this person...I had a willingness to change.lol