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Westswoman
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Lenoir,NC
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I'm in need of direction on working the fourth step. I've been using a work sheet that I was given at one time. Honestly I've been working this step for years and no doubt will work it for the rest of my life!! I've just recently put 100% into working this step and am committed to not quiting just because it's uncomfortable or painful!
I know the purpose of the life's list is to get to the bottom of why you resent or resented a particular person or thing in your life...get honest with yourself and acknowledge where you are at fault or come to a place where you can let the resentment go knowing you've done an honest inventory and can make no changes within your self to resolve the issue. If there is still some uncertainty then maybe come back to that particular resentment at another point in your walk in recovery. I tend to be very hard on myself and accept responsibility and blame for many things in my life. While working the 4th step I'm finding that I've accepted blame for things that I had no business accepting. I suppose this is where my co-dependency kicks in!!! I'm learning to be kinder to myself but at the same time I'm afraid to be too easy on myself and make excuses for my behavior or reaction to a particular resentment!!! I guess my question is, from what I've told you, am I working this step right? How do I know when I've made as much progress as I can with this step at this time in my recovery or am I avoiding and bailing because things are uncomfortable!!! Denial and avoida ![]() nce are very very sneaky!!!I live in a very small and I mean small country town, I currently have no sponser and the closest meeting is over an hour drive a way. I rely on my cyber recovery family and support by phone with people from my old group who are 600 miles away!! I'm so thankful for cyber fellowship!! I appreciate your wisdom, thoughts and any encouragement you can give!! |
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Devoted Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Corpus Christi Texas
Posts: 360
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4th step
u sound like a alcholic
.its hard to work on 4th without sponsor but possible.the thing on the 4th step is not to leave off thing in inventory on purpose.we are only sick as are darkest secret.other than that if it comes to mind while writtin put it on the papewr,and dont ententionally leave anything off and u while do fine.this is a hard time in recovery to see it all on paper, but remember u are fixin to get rid of it on the next step step 5
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 293
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Something I have learned in business is that if something is worth doing, it is worth doing poorly to start. I have also learned that perfection sucks. In trying to do things perfectly it gives us an excuse or a way out of simply trying to do things a little better than we've been doing. Trying to being perfect allows us to let ourselves off the hook when we fail because "nobody's perfect" so it's totally acceptable, even expected you will fail. But by committing to getting, being or doing something "better" than before, now you have something more tangible to work with. Now you can even fail and continue moving forward because perfection isn't the goal. Progress is. My suggestion is that if you are going to use a 12 Step program, and if you now feel that you have already made enough progress in the 4th step by being "fearless and searching" in taking your moral inventory, then move on to the 5th. If you haven't, then I'd say pick up your pen and paper and get back at it. My intuition tells me that if you are still concerned about denial, avoidance, or your mind being sneaky or tricky, then there are probably still some truths about yourself you would rather not care to admit. How do you feel about that? Mike Highstead The Secret To Break Any Bad Habit or Addiction |
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Westswoman
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Lenoir,NC
Posts: 114
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What great responses and fabulous food for thought!! Perfection is a problem I have. Perfection in myelf, I don't expect it in others! WOW! Thats something I need to add to my list! Thank you! Yes, I am still concerned about denial. Thats where a sponser is needed no doubt. I would much rather have honesty from someone then my feelings spared! Does that make sense to anyone?
I've decided to ease up on working this step for the moment. I found myself spinning in circles and going no where. I'll work on turning my "perfection" issues around and move towards making, "progress"!! Thanks a million for your input!! |
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 15
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I want to reinforce what the others have said. Don't try to get every little thing the first time through. One of my mentors with over 30 years of sobriety always says "... don't sweat the details..." You will never get everything and it is more important to get the really big things bothering you today than worry too much about the small details of the past. There will always be more things surfacing as you go along in recovery, and by using the steps as a daily guide for living, we can grow and work on things as they pop up. Besides as my mentor also says, "... thats what the 10th step is for...".
Good Luck !!!!!!
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Devoted Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Corpus Christi Texas
Posts: 360
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big book on pg65 of the forward to the first eddition.nothing counted like THOROUGHNESS AND HONESTY.inventory is one thing to in steps that needs to be as close to perfect as u can get.resentments are are #1 offender it destroys more alcholics than anything else pg64 3rd paragraph.this step needs to be taken with a sponsor if at all possible.be blessed
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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In my 4th I just made list and then when it got to my 5th step, I was able to "talk" in more detail. It would have taken forever and a day to do all that writing on paper. My sponcer did not want me spending forever on one step because he wanted progress not perfection. If you leave anything out of your 4th then you can always do another one at another time. I hear of many people getting stuck on this step and never move forward. I'm glad my sponcer had me take the plunge and get it over with or I'd still be writing my 4th. Good luck! O ya, I was done with all my steps within a few months and it felt like I accomplished something good.
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Westswoman
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Lenoir,NC
Posts: 114
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I was reading my 12 steps and 12 traditions book last night. Isn't it strange that even though I read this entire book before I'm reading it now with new eyes, so to speak!! I read the chapter on the 5th step and it addressed all the questions I had about the 4th step. I can see that my higher power, "God" is right beside me every minute! How else can you explain the fact that the information and support I've come across daily pertains to the very issue I'm personally facing at that moment?
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Devoted Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Corpus Christi Texas
Posts: 360
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god will never leave us nor forsake us.keep on keepin on and things will change.be blessed,have great day
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Devoted Member
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 198
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Mike you the point that you are driving at is one that is important.. perfection isn't the key to the 4th step it's the willingness to look at ourselves, and then share with another human being in the 5th step. Perfection leads to procrastination.. I see way too much emphasis being put on doing the 4th thoroughly before moving on; Just Move On Already. there is a lifetime ahead to come back and add to your list of things you've done. Make sure you are looking for the good stuff about you as well, that is equally as important as the corrupt, sneaky, immature, or illegall stuff we got caught up in while in active addiction / alcoholism.
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